Norms SAS questions........

[NORMSCOLORADO]

Hey guys..... i have a line on a 80 Toyota Pickup CHEAP too.... and i am getting tired of buyin $60 ball joints, $260 wheelbearings and cv axles.... and the dodgy steering to boot ik alot of you have done it with different axles. now i am not looking for this thing to be a over kill trail pounder i just want some versitility and more sensible repair costs...... and get rid of that JUNK IFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ik you need a IFS box and prob a high steer kit i want to keep it a budget build and what am i looking at in build time and what not cuz custom powersteering lines are gunna have to be made and so on...... your thoughts on keeping stock t case?????? i have a week off come spring brake and i love to do it then if buget allows....

[onelow1ton]

You will have to run spacers if you use the Toyota mini truck front axle

I think several guys are still running there stock t-case , and I plan to also

If your getting the whole truck you can rob some parts from it but yes most get the toy mini truck 2wd steering box

[Racer X]

You do man Kenny.

[NORMSCOLORADO]

how big of a spacer am i looking at? i have a fair amount of backspacing on my wheels i dont remember how much tho..... as for the t case i will have to just relocate the axle actuator so that the elec case will work am i right?

[Racer X]

I took the wiring harness from the front diff right out in the engine bay.Theres a connection it makes on the passenger side.Without the diff actuator the T-case still works but the light just stays blinking when its in 4wd.As for the spacer its really hard to say if you need one or not.Your wheels are 3.75" BS 15x8's if I remember right.What are you planning for springs?

[NORMSCOLORADO]

leafs... mabe the stock ones????? idk prob wouldnt flex worth a shit lol

[Racer X]

[NORMSCOLORADO]

what would you think for leafs?

[onelow1ton]

Stock Toyota front axle measurements for comparison:
55.5" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners, SA Hubs
58.25" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners, IFS Hubs
63.5" wide, (set up for coil springs) 90-97 FJ80 and FZJ80 Landcruisers
'86-95 IFS front end is about 58.5" wide
'93-98 T100 IFS front end is about 65" wide

The z71 rear axle is 63.5" wms-wms and that 1980 axle is 55.5" wms-wms stock if you put the ifs hubs on that axle it will then be 58.25" wms-wms so it will still be 5.25" to narrow and from what I have read people say its ok to run 2" spacers on those axles but... So if you did that you would be at 62.25" wms-wms so your track width up front would be 1.25" narrower than the rear and that's only 0.625" each side so you would never notice it . If you search for sasygirl (sp) or the thread she made for her build my hubby's been busy Or something along those lines I can't remember they used a mini truck axle so it can be done and can work fine

Leafs will work great stock might be ok but might have to do an aal or trail gear sells lift leaf packs cheep and lots of other goodies that will help you on your build

[Supermodulation]

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Tons of good knowledge in this thread!

[NORMSCOLORADO]

well what im thinking is use the stocker leafs to get me rollin... so you are saying that the ifs hubs are interchangeable with the solid axle hubs?

[onelow1ton]

Axle info
Toyota Solid 8" Axles - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest
Hub swap
widening a 79-85 toyota SFA without wheel spacers - YotaTech Forums

[onelow1ton]

Yes but other parts need to change also like the brakes see links above


I'm using an Toyota fzj80 front axle because its 63.5" wide and beefier than the mini but they are not as cheep to find with the locking front diff like mine is but you can get a non lock front and upgrade it later and you can find the non locking diff for about what you would spend on that mini axle making it wider

[onelow1ton]

The fzj80 is the 93-96 Toyota land cruiser but the non lock can be found in the 90 or 91-96 land cruisers also if you go that way let me know and ill dig up all the links I got save on the LC axles

[NORMSCOLORADO]

sweet thanks! i have searched for months for fj80 axles around here.... there is only just this one i have found that has been sitting in my distant cousins junk yard.... i can get the truck for 300....im not gunna be wheelin git hard its mainly my DD i want a dependable front end.... for now anyway... lol and its looking like a TG taco sas kit worked on his/her rig to get the majority of the mounts.....

[onelow1ton]

Yeah that's what they used and I think dents also used some of the mounts and leafs for his truck but used a different axle

[Racer X]

Dents has a D44 setup on the his just like mine but I heard his is the HP44 and narrowed down.Mine is full width front and rear.Remember that the fitting's for the brakes on these trucks is 10mm and older 4x4's are SAE so you will have to come up with a way to adapt them over as well.

[monster666]

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[onelow1ton]

for sure , crown did great for making my custom rear lines and was a good price

[NORMSCOLORADO]

thanks guys once i get going i am going to condence all the info in the op....... if im not asking questions and what not i didnt bail on the idea...... just gunna be busy making the $$$$$$$$$$$ for it and have all of my ducks in a row before i blow my mind and have my truck immoblized........ and be stuck......