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Just got this Raptor for the weekend from a friend who wants to sell it. What do you think, sell the colly and buy this ford?
 

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There is no comparison. Really - the raptor is an amazing truck and is built like a brick. That said I'd prefer to have one of the new ones with the aluminum body and second gen ecoboost.
 

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Don't do it!

At the end of the weekend when you've burned through $100 in gas you'll think otherwise
 

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I'd ditch my colorado for a bone stock raptor in a heart beat. Only thing they typically run about $45k used here. I'm not financing $30k after the rado on a vehicle... But if some fool wants to trade me straight up I'd happily kiss my lil truck goodbye
 

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well you live in Tahiti and by your truck looks like you have more money than the average member in the US, so why don´t keeping the rado and getting the raptor.
 

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I'm not going to give you my suggestion.

But I do like the Raptor. I'd own one although it would be very impractical for me (not using it per it's design).

As for gas mileage, it's probably similar to what I get on my Canyon. This is my 3rd truck in a row (each different engines), and the similar mileage numbers I've gotten since 1993.
 

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It's all personal opinion. I'd do it, but I perfer the full size truck...don't get me wrong I loved the canyon, but nothing like the extra room. You really need to think about what ya do with the truck and if you want the extra cost.
 

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You would have to be an oil sheik to use one of those vehicles because your petroleum consumption would be around thirty barrels or more annually.
 

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I wouldn't. Ford has been horribly unreliable and those things are filled with computers and have weak frames. With the money you have in the Colorado you will lose your ass on resale on top of now spending more on a new truck that really isn't any better.
 

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The question is -- do you want something that is 'popular' & off the shelf? Or do you want something unique? If unique, I would stick with the Colorado.
 

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The question is -- do you want something that is 'popular' & off the shelf? Or do you want something unique? If unique, I would stick with the Colorado.
^^ I like your thought process
 

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I wouldn't. Ford has been horribly unreliable and those things are filled with computers and have weak frames. With the money you have in the Colorado you will lose your ass on resale on top of now spending more on a new truck that really isn't any better.
I'd have to disagree. Ford reliability has been outstanding the last 10 years, especially compared to Toyota, GM, and Dodge. And the comment about the weak frames is also inaccurate. That frame is rated to tow around 11 000lbs and it's the stiffest half-ton frame on the road. The fools that bent their frames hit the equivalent of a curb going 90+. The folks with them that didn't wreck their trucks were pretty clear about who was at fault here and it wasn't the truck. Anyhow, imagine what would happen to a canyon/rado if someone cranked something like a curb going 90... it'd likely explode.

But back to the comparison, there is a huge difference in build quality between a full-size and a midsize truck. All of the manufacturers put all their energy into their flagship models, which has never been their small trucks. With how similar the prices are between full and mid-size trucks I don't think I would go with a mid-size again. Not to mention that the mileage these days is pretty close.

There is no doubt you'll burn more fuel with the Raptor, but it has it's upsides. You get 400+ HP, long travel suspension, and 35'' tires in a truck with an exceptionally low center of gravity.
 
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Decision made: need more room for the kids, that the colly can't offer. So the colorado is for sale and the Raptor will be the next on the list for modifications.
 

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I'd have to disagree. Ford reliability has been outstanding the last 10 years, especially compared to Toyota, GM, and Dodge. And the comment about the weak frames is also inaccurate. That frame is rated to tow around 11 000lbs and it's the stiffest half-ton frame on the road. The fools that bent their frames hit the equivalent of a curb going 90+. The folks with them that didn't wreck their trucks were pretty clear about who was at fault here and it wasn't the truck. Anyhow, imagine what would happen to a canyon/rado if someone cranked something like a curb going 90... it'd likely explode.
The tow capacity is 6,000 lbs to start. Look at the shackle mounts and how the frames warp after a few runs through a twist ditch, I'm not just referring to the common article. Ford doesn't use the high quality steel or even close to the same thickness, the raptor was lucky they even decide to box the frame because up until recently everything was c-channel. They have 3/4's of the advertised travel in the droop and the opposite direction is the same as 90% of the trucks on the road. Ford is also riddled with transmsision issues, they rot faster than any vehicle here in the northeast in the wheel wells, and look up the issues revolving the ecoboost engines. Ford has more problems than most.

The colorado in stock form won't perform as well offroad but it's not made for that and typically costs 1/3rd the price except the v8 trucks which were a little closer to half the cost. Your maintenance is also a hell of a lot cheaper.
 

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I wouldn't. Ford has been horribly unreliable and those things are filled with computers and have weak frames. With the money you have in the Colorado you will lose your ass on resale on top of now spending more on a new truck that really isn't any better.
finally someone mentioned the weak frames. Ford is always known for their weak frames, and if you use this truck "as its designed" it will bend/tweak. You can build the suspension on our trucks (long travel) to do better off road than these raptor terds.

Im really against fords, except some of their newer cars. I have had to work on so many friends fords, and it really just burnt me out on even thinking about buying one in the future. I would much rather have a GM vehicle.

My opinion, not my money, your choice OP.
 

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I'd have to disagree. Ford reliability has been outstanding the last 10 years, especially compared to Toyota, GM, and Dodge. And the comment about the weak frames is also inaccurate. That frame is rated to tow around 11 000lbs and it's the stiffest half-ton frame on the road. The fools that bent their frames hit the equivalent of a curb going 90+. The folks with them that didn't wreck their trucks were pretty clear about who was at fault here and it wasn't the truck. Anyhow, imagine what would happen to a canyon/rado if someone cranked something like a curb going 90... it'd likely explode.

But back to the comparison, there is a huge difference in build quality between a full-size and a midsize truck. All of the manufacturers put all their energy into their flagship models, which has never been their small trucks. With how similar the prices are between full and mid-size trucks I don't think I would go with a mid-size again. Not to mention that the mileage these days is pretty close.

There is no doubt you'll burn more fuel with the Raptor, but it has it's upsides. You get 400+ HP, long travel suspension, and 35'' tires in a truck with an exceptionally low center of gravity.
"400 HP"
"Long Travel"

Naw I'm good, I would rather have my 200K mile 10 year old Canyon, or my 17 year old 200K mile S-10 back.
 

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The tow capacity is 6,000 lbs to start. Look at the shackle mounts and how the frames warp after a few runs through a twist ditch, I'm not just referring to the common article. Ford doesn't use the high quality steel or even close to the same thickness, the raptor was lucky they even decide to box the frame because up until recently everything was c-channel. They have 3/4's of the advertised travel in the droop and the opposite direction is the same as 90% of the trucks on the road. Ford is also riddled with transmsision issues, they rot faster than any vehicle here in the northeast in the wheel wells, and look up the issues revolving the ecoboost engines. Ford has more problems than most.

The colorado in stock form won't perform as well offroad but it's not made for that and typically costs 1/3rd the price except the v8 trucks which were a little closer to half the cost. Your maintenance is also a hell of a lot cheaper.
Exactly right, GM has been one of the few manufactures with fully boxed frames for a long time. The fact that a GM vehicle has gotten better mileage all this time puts Ford to shame, since they are using the "weight reduction" approach to better MPGs i.e. c channel frames and aluminum bodies.

The new eco-poop is a terrible idea, its just like when they went from the 7.3 to the 6.0. Heres the general idea, lets take a big strong motor, make everything thinner and decrease the size by a liter and a third, BUT lets double the HP and TQ numbers to match the competition. The little V6 with two turbos, even a bigger joke since its main purpose was to get good mileage. I drove one personally that had 20k miles on it and the avg over the past time period was 13. THIRTEEN. My mom drives a tahoe pulling a twin snowmobile trailor and gets that with 5 passengers + luggage in a 5.3L.

Anytime you are pushing that much power out of a little engine you risk catastrophic failure, which is why all vehicles are supposed to be "tuned down" from the factory with tq management to increase longevity.
 

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Ford haters gunna hate...

Just because GM and Dodge are stuck in the dark ages doesn't mean everyone has to be. Ford is the one company that's being remotely innovative with their vehicles, and to be honest I think they're leaving the other american companies in the dust.

Re: frames - box frames aren't necessarily better than c channel, just lighter. They have more welds to break and cost more to make. Look at a towing rig - all still c channel.

To the OP - I'm glad you went with the Raptor - it's 10x the truck.
 
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