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Pardon the interruption. For the record, I have a 2006 Canyon I5.
As an extremely untalented mechanic, I came across this wonderful community looking for information troubleshooting a R&P change, which in retrospect I probably shouldn't have done on my own.
Anyway, after a lot of sweat and gnashing of teeth, I've managed to install a new R&P. I also bought new pressure/return hoses but they don't match, and I can't seem to find the right ones, so I'm going to use the old ones.
My questions are on the hose seals and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
The old hoses had a couple of different colored O-rings on them (pic 1). The new hoses also came with O-rings. Researching this job, I saw that you were to install seals into the steering rack (pic 2). When I took out the old R&P I don't remember it having any of these. Sorry for the length of the description but point only, 2 questions as I'm quite frustrated at this point and want to get this done.
1. Are the seals on the steering rack (pic 2) essential? That is, do I need both seals - the ones that go into the steering rack and the O-rings on the hoses? And if so, do I need install seals in both the pressure and return ports on the steering rack?
2. The O-rings on the pressure hose come in different colors (green and black). As mentioned above, I'm going to use the old hoses but thought I should use the new O-rings that came with the new hoses. Pic 1 has the new O-rings on. So, I hope this makes sense but because of the size of the new O-rings, it seems the colors were reversed on the old vs new. That is for example, on the top of Pic 1 with the black/white O-rings, the old original was a green O-ring, not the black. And I used the green on the other end (not shown) that goes into the steering fluid reservoir - it was originally black of course. I have no idea if the colors of the O-rings are made out of a different material that will break down faster, or affect seal performance. There are many smart people on this forum, does anyone have any advice?
Thanks in advance.
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Thank you very much for the information (Mr.?) cart7881. Much appreciated. Your reply does makes sense and I give it a try without the O-rings. I don't want to burden you or anyone else but added a couple more photo's of the rack holes. They seem to been designed to take the new rack seals to me. Perhaps due to age, and the various models of the Canyon, it's unfortunate that I can't seem to find the correct hoses. The new ones (from RockAuto) have a very different configuration from the original but regardless, as per post, also came with O-rings. I've also looked online elsewhere and all of the hoses seem to be like the same as the new ones.
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Thanks again. It's a 4wd. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet sorry. I can see what you mean yes in that the hoses will either have the grooves with O rings - the old ones I have, as well as the new ones that won't work - or smooth hose ends without O rings, in which case I would use the seals that push into the rack. Just to clarify one thing I may have missed, the new rack & pinion I ordered - link below - didn't come with the seals for the rack, I bought them separately thinking they were needed. Thanks again. If the old hoses with O-rings fit, and you don't mind responding, do you have any comment on the use of the different colored O-rings? As above in original post, on the pressure hose I reversed the black and green O rings as it seemed the size matched better.
 

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Thanks again for the info. I wasn't able to install the old hoses. Nothing to do with O-rings vs seals in the rack. The hose attachment on the old rack is different from what is needed for the new rack. Old bolt is above the hose inlets, new is completely in-line. I'm assuming I ordered the wrong rack and pinion - 1st design vs 2nd design - I think my 2006 is a 2nd design but the rack I installed is 1st design.
Not sure if anyone would have any comments or warnings about going with the R&P I installed (1st design I think) and buying hoses that fit, or not a good idea.
I guess I should have left this to the pro's.
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This is the new one I installed with the bolt inline with the ports. I think this is the 1st design.
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After a bit of research, appears that the hoses I need for the new rack I installed is different than the original. I've ordered same and will update with how it goes. Thanks again cart7881.
 
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