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From the info I found out. Is the whistle blower lied to the press about 1st hand knowledge of the phone call Trump made, HMMMM.
Ukraine is giving up info where Clinton tried to influence the election, HMMMM. She denied having contact with them, now emails between Clinton and Ukraine has surfaced, HMMMM. It was Biden who in fact coerced Ukraine into firing a public official by threatening to withhold money, MORE HMMMM.
The Dems stepped in a big pile that no amount of showers is going to wash off the stink.
 

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The Dems stepped in a big pile that no amount of showers is going to wash off the stink.

But it seems like the big pile has been building for awhile and nothing has changed. Is there a bigger plan to handle a bigger pile? When is WB going to bring in the big shovel?
 

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From the info I found out. Is the whistle blower lied to the press about 1st hand knowledge of the phone call Trump made, HMMMM.
Ukraine is giving up info where Clinton tried to influence the election, HMMMM. She denied having contact with them, now emails between Clinton and Ukraine has surfaced, HMMMM. It was Biden who in fact coerced Ukraine into firing a public official by threatening to withhold money, MORE HMMMM.
The Dems stepped in a big pile that no amount of showers is going to wash off the stink.
I agree...it's a joke.
 

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LET THEM GO AHEAD AND IMPEACH TRUMP.... HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS THEN......
By: Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD, (Political Science)
I have a degree in Political Science, and I am a card-carrying Libertarian. I've been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents. That said, I hope that the House of
Representatives impeaches Trump. Let me tell you what will happen next!
1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the
Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.
2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.
3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel
investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover up activities.
A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison.
All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath – and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.
4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe
that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and
destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.
They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros. After the Senate declines to convict the
President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.
So let's move on to impeachment.
Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD
 

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Maybe I've just given up, but I never will forget being on vacation and sitting on the bed with my wife while the results of the the Clinton email scandal were being read. I absolutely could not believe that she was not going to jail. At that point I realized that politicians are all above the law. Most politicians are in it for themselves. They enter politics for the opportunity to better their lot in life. If you look at the net worth of most of them, you will see that thought their salary might be $175,000, after being in office for 10 years, their net worth has increased by over a million dollars! Not only that, but when/if they ever leave office, they're given positions with companies that they accepted large contributions from for some outrageous salary where they usually are considered a "consultant" and never actually report to work. I think the "swamp" is far worse than Trump ever imagined, and I'm convinced that one outsider will never be able to change anything. Absolutely nothing is being accomplished in congress, because their only job - as they see it - is to protect the system that they have put in place to make them all millionaires. I give up. I feel quite certain that most of the media is also on the take somehow to encourage them to assist the Dems in accomplishing their goals.
I give up! It's not going to get better!
 

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LOL!!! maybe you guys should extend your research to something other than Fox.
What have the Democrats actually done in while Trump has been in office? All they have done is fight with him, spend millions of tax payer dollars on useless impeachment crap and have done nothing to better the country.

Trump wanted the wall to help solidify our boarders, so what do the democrats do? They fought the wall and then made a bunch of cities and states sanctuary. So now they're harboring illegals and protecting them.

NY has even gone ahead and made a ban on the term "illegal aliens" which is a complete violation of ones 1st amendment rights.

They want to take your guns, which is a violation of ones 2nd amendment rights.
 

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The people voted Trump into office because of the things he promised to do. Build the wall, stop illegal immigration, drain the swamp, bring back manufacturing jobs, grow the economy, you know - Make America Great Again. That's what we wanted and that's why we voted for Trump. The actions of the Democrats are thwarting the will of the people! They try to stop his every effort. They're only goal is to prevent Trump from doing what he promised!
 

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The majority did NOT vote for trump. He got enough votes to win the majority of the electoral college. Not the same thing.

And the constitution gives oversight powers to congress as a check and balance against the dictatorship trump thinks he has. He's not regardless of his thinking the absolute power in the US.
 

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He campaigned to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. If popular vote determines our president, Trump would have campaigned accordingly. Hillary should have been campaigning more to the swing states instead of using campaign funds to pay Fusion GPS.
 

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He surely appears to be trying.

Lambaste the press as "Fake" news when he doesn't see favorable press. Usually the stories are accurate. Runs down anyone who stands against him as unpatriotic or traitors. Stands in the way of any oversight because he's in charge. Sounds like a dictator wanna be to me.

I guess that makes this former RINO a traitor or that my military service doesn't make me a patriot.

I will say that for the first time in 40 years of voting it was the first time a republican didn't get my vote for President (I also didn't vote for the witch).
 

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Proud Trump supporter, and He has my full support for a second term.
No way will I vote for socialism. No way will I allow my second amendment to be infringed.
I like my doctor and insurance, and plan to keep my doctor and insurance - PERIOD.
My family was life long democrats, but that party has left us.
Finish the wall, America first, defend our Police and Military, and those who want socialism can move to Venezuela.
MAGA!
 

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The majority did NOT vote for trump. He got enough votes to win the majority of the electoral college. Not the same thing.

And the constitution gives oversight powers to congress as a check and balance against the dictatorship trump thinks he has. He's not regardless of his thinking the absolute power in the US.
The fact he didn't get the majority of the popular vote would mean something if that meant something. In point of fact, he did get the majority of the vote in the majority of the 50 United States . . . which is why the founding fathers set up the election process the way they did. They knew that people would settle in large cities on the coast, and would generally morph into the same political way of thinking, which makes a popular vote unfair to the majority of the states in the interior of the country, which historically have lower populations. States do get an advantage reference their population . . . the number of electoral votes.

Every time I hear someone parrot the "popular vote" lament I just roll my eyes. The founding fathers were smart enough not to let a few giant cities on the coast (now coasts) decide everything for the majority of the nation's states.

How exactly does President Trump have a dictatorship? No one seems to have any details on that. In case you missed it, the constitution also gives him powers as a co-equal branch of the government. Do a little research on impeachment proceedings from the past. Fascinating stuff.
 

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He surely appears to be trying.

Lambaste the press as "Fake" news when he doesn't see favorable press. Usually the stories are accurate. Runs down anyone who stands against him as unpatriotic or traitors. Stands in the way of any oversight because he's in charge. Sounds like a dictator wanna be to me.

I guess that makes this former RINO a traitor or that my military service doesn't make me a patriot.

I will say that for the first time in 40 years of voting it was the first time a republican didn't get my vote for President (I also didn't vote for the witch).
Sorry - no. Have you missed the mountain of "bombshell" reports the alphabet media have had to retract? Producers and journalists being fired? The volume of false reports and breathless "breaking news" stories is epic. If a news agency has to retract a "fact" they ran with, it was fake news. People make mistakes, but the volume of the garbage put out the last two years is way beyond honest mistakes.

Thank you for your service, and you are free to believe what you wish, but be willing to take a dispassionate look at all sides of the issue.

Having said that, I did vote for President Trump . . . I don't like everything he says, but I learned at an early age to pay more attention to what someone does not what they say. It cannot be denied that he has been very successful and is keeping his promises made during the campaign. I can put up with a President who talks foul but does fair.
 

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He campaigned to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. If popular vote determines our president, Trump would have campaigned accordingly. Hillary should have been campaigning more to the swing states instead of using campaign funds to pay Fusion GPS.
At any rate, we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic . . . hence an electoral college election system which gives equal rights to all 50 states. Hillary was a bad candidate, ran a bad campaign (probably not her fault, I doubt she ran anything). She and her campaign thought she had it in the bag so she didn't think she even had to try to campaign.
 
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