Finally they file so they can get the unions out! The unions would not stop the HUGE pensions that they were paying out and it destroyed Detroit. Detroit is now a "right to work" State! 
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Someone find the clip of Obama touting about "saving" Detroit and refusing to let them go bankrupt.
But we all knew that was a lie from the beginning. Oh and that's Fox News. We all know they're biased racists.
But we all knew that was a lie from the beginning. Oh and that's Fox News. We all know they're biased racists.
Oh yea and loosing over half of their population had NOTHING to do with it... :rollg:
This is a HUGE issue and to blame it on 1 group is asinine at best.
Also Detroit is not a state... And fuck all those people who worked for 30 years they dont deserve shit, let them starve!
This is a HUGE issue and to blame it on 1 group is asinine at best.
Also Detroit is not a state... And fuck all those people who worked for 30 years they dont deserve shit, let them starve!
Detroit files bankruptcy!
..and this surprises who?
There will be more municipalities to follow..
Watch.
..and this surprises who?
There will be more municipalities to follow..
Watch.
Right to work states blow. Unemployment and benefits are shit. Employees don't have shit for help. You can walk into ur job and ur boss have a bad day and fire u for no reason at all. Also Michigans been a right to work state since April. If your a worker and you don't want to be part of a union your an idiot IMHO. I'm apart of the IBEW and I'm pro union. Corporations don't like unions because it makes them have fair wages and benefits for their employees instead of minimum wage. Look how many times people tried to unionize at Walmart and they fire them or get rid of their department all together lol.
Hey hey SSSSSHHHH Walmart wants to keep unions out so they can keep wages low so the American tax payer has to pay for the workers to survive.
Yes Walmart employees ALONE costs us $3.6 BILLION a year in food stamps.... G
If corporations weren't so shitty there would be no need for unions. The problem with anti-union people is they dont understand this countryies history before unions came about. Like to have a 5 day work week rather that a 6 day one? Thank the unions. Like overtime pay? Thank the unions. Like safety measures at your job place? Thank a union. It wasnt that long ago that if you got your arm cut off at work you were on your own and if it werent for unions we would still be that way. Once we get rid of them history WILL repeat itself. The rich dont care about whats best for this country they just want to line their pockets.
We NEED a strong middle class in this country and the only way to get that is to support the WORKER. I dont understand how people dont get that. Just look at the history of our economy. When the rich control all the money we go into a depression, when the middle class have a fair share everyone prospers.
Yes Walmart employees ALONE costs us $3.6 BILLION a year in food stamps.... G
If corporations weren't so shitty there would be no need for unions. The problem with anti-union people is they dont understand this countryies history before unions came about. Like to have a 5 day work week rather that a 6 day one? Thank the unions. Like overtime pay? Thank the unions. Like safety measures at your job place? Thank a union. It wasnt that long ago that if you got your arm cut off at work you were on your own and if it werent for unions we would still be that way. Once we get rid of them history WILL repeat itself. The rich dont care about whats best for this country they just want to line their pockets.
We NEED a strong middle class in this country and the only way to get that is to support the WORKER. I dont understand how people dont get that. Just look at the history of our economy. When the rich control all the money we go into a depression, when the middle class have a fair share everyone prospers.
Had just read this on the news, its absolutely shocking!!
What´s wrong with this big automotive companies??? When you live in a small town and see a big company coming the only expectation is prosperity and money. I just can´t believe how this big three let this city down.
What´s wrong with this big automotive companies??? When you live in a small town and see a big company coming the only expectation is prosperity and money. I just can´t believe how this big three let this city down.
The only people who don't like unions are either company owners who want to screw their employees or retards. If it wasn't for them your wage wouldn't be anywhere close to what it is now. In my trade people who switch to unions can't believe the benefits we get. They make close to what I do, but not once they pay for medical and retirement if they have it.
That is plain wrong. Some unions just fuck their members for littpe to no benefit. It is different for some locations and jobs. To stereotype and say that the are all good or all bad is fucking ignorant. Yes. Unions have helped to get the fairness everyone needs but have also created problems like paying a assembly line worker $14/hr to press a button all day. If you are screaming that unions are either great or shitty it is just a reflection on the occupation market for where you are. And right to work states still have unions u just get to decide if you want to pay dues when you join a job.
I know a couple who works the dept. of correction union job. State of cali is broke they both took a hit on pay, lost their house. Union bosses didnt take a hit they didnt give a rats ass. Modern faucet in LosAngeles a family run business that competed with the likes of moen and p.f.. Union came in and told the workers what they wanted to hear. Owner couldnt afford all that the union wanted for the people, so instead of closing HIS buisness he moved it on the weekend to mexico. The workers came in monday morn to A NOTTA JOB. HA HA HA.
To all you youngins that dont have any balls no boss would fire me just because he's in a bad mood. You are what your worth, every boss that i've had, i've never asked for a raise. They always gave me a raise and elevated me. Why because i was worth it and if i didnt think the pay was fair i was gone the door didnt hit me in the ass. And when the time came i started my own buisness. What do i know? Im semi retired, all is paid for. Be a man and dont count on anything for free, work hard get ahead and when you see an opportunity for your own buisness strike. And give the good LORD his praise.
To all you youngins that dont have any balls no boss would fire me just because he's in a bad mood. You are what your worth, every boss that i've had, i've never asked for a raise. They always gave me a raise and elevated me. Why because i was worth it and if i didnt think the pay was fair i was gone the door didnt hit me in the ass. And when the time came i started my own buisness. What do i know? Im semi retired, all is paid for. Be a man and dont count on anything for free, work hard get ahead and when you see an opportunity for your own buisness strike. And give the good LORD his praise.
I do think most unions now just breed spoiled workers. I work for one of the largest companies in the U.S. in what we do. We have recently bought 2 union companies to help them expand, they still operate as before, no name change, we simply finance them for jobs they didn't have te resources to do before. We do power line work. My company got it approved by OSHA several years back to patch the blankets used to cover the lines. They run just under $70 a piece, my company buys about $40k of them a month, after we were allowed to patch. so it's obvious any way to save some there would be well worth it. We tested one patched only on one side with a hole the size of a dime through it on a brand new blanket, turned it up to 90,000volts which is more than any distribution lineman will ever see and melted a hole in a new one before the patch would give out. Our new union guys only get new stuff, we accidentally sent a patched blanket out to one of their jobs and the lineman on te job quit like a spoiled ass lil kid. We have been using them for years with no accidents and have about 7,000 employees so that's a pretty good record. They are not all bad but I think they are outdated and have served their purpose.
Its a simple fact that if you take jobs away from a city, Detroit or wherever, that city is gonna lose money. Whether its city tax, sales tax or whatever. If theres no jobs the people move to where there are jobs. For instance the auto industry. For every 1 job there is 5-6 spinoff jobs created whether its suppliers, truck drivers, local eateries, or whatever. 5000 autoworkers = 25-30,000 spinoff jobs for the potential of 35,000 jobs lost! If people arent there making money to spend it hurts the whole community and surrounding ones too. Business slows and more places close. Its a domino effect. Its not any unions fault, its all American greed. Oh you want to unionize, ok we're closing and moving to Mexico or China so we can make more money on cheap labor and you're out of a job. Its no wonder cities are going broke.
Gway talked about good pay and great benefits and that's great but high pay and a ton of benefits and over 1,000,000 retiered union workers who just had to get a pension that was so rediculous is what drove Detroit right into the ground and that is FACT!! If you don't understand that I feel sorry for you. GREED GREED GREED that's what unions are made of. I would rather live where everyone can get a job at $10 an hour to start then a place where 1/2 the people work for $35 hr and unemployment is in over 10%
by Nancy ******, Stephen Henderson and Matt Helms, Detroit Free Press
DETROIT -- The city of Detroit filed for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in federal court Thursday, laying the groundwork for a historic effort to bail out a city that is sinking under billions of dollars in debt and decades of mismanagement, population flight and loss of tax revenue.
The city has lost more than half of its population over the last 60 years. In 1950, the city was the fifth-largest city in the country with a population of around 1.8 million. Today its population is estimated at just under 700,000
^^^^^ This. Population flight and lost tax revenue? Sounds just like what I said. Hmmmm...
So anybody pointing fingers at or blaming unions is wrong. Detroit is a city. The auto industry is not a city, just famous for being originated and based there. And the majority of the plants there are outside of city limits anyway, so the city doesnt get the tax revenue from them to begin with. And the pensions of those workers has nothing to do with it either. Well maybe if you take them away, then those retirees have no money to spend in the "city" of Detroit.
So if you want to blame unions, remember to include your local fire, police, first responders, utility workers, road crews, teachers and so on, not just the autoworkers, so you can tell them how much you dislike their services.
DETROIT -- The city of Detroit filed for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in federal court Thursday, laying the groundwork for a historic effort to bail out a city that is sinking under billions of dollars in debt and decades of mismanagement, population flight and loss of tax revenue.
The city has lost more than half of its population over the last 60 years. In 1950, the city was the fifth-largest city in the country with a population of around 1.8 million. Today its population is estimated at just under 700,000
^^^^^ This. Population flight and lost tax revenue? Sounds just like what I said. Hmmmm...
So anybody pointing fingers at or blaming unions is wrong. Detroit is a city. The auto industry is not a city, just famous for being originated and based there. And the majority of the plants there are outside of city limits anyway, so the city doesnt get the tax revenue from them to begin with. And the pensions of those workers has nothing to do with it either. Well maybe if you take them away, then those retirees have no money to spend in the "city" of Detroit.
So if you want to blame unions, remember to include your local fire, police, first responders, utility workers, road crews, teachers and so on, not just the autoworkers, so you can tell them how much you dislike their services.
NOT FROM "FOX NEWS" R U HAPPY NOW???
Who Killed Detroit? - Investors.com
Poor Detroit. It hasn't had any good news for decades, and now, despite a $77 billion bailout of the auto industry, its population continues to implode. The No. 1 reason: the United Auto Workers union.Census data released Tuesday show Detroit's population has plunged 25% since 2000 to just 713,777 souls — the same as 100 years ago, before the auto industry's heyday. As recently as the 1970s, Detroit had 1.8 million people.What's happening is no secret: Detroiters are fleeing an economic disaster, the irreversible decline of the Big Three automakers.In his now-famous Super Bowl commercial for Chrysler, rapper Eminem drives up to a theater in a sleek new 200 model and says, "This is the Motor City. And this is what we do." But, sadly, that's no longer the case. Detroit's decline has been shocking.Sure, a lot of the blame goes to a generation of bad management. But the main reason for Detroit's decline is the greed of the industry's main union, the UAW, which priced the Big Three out of the market.As recently as 2008, GM, Ford and Chrysler paid their employees on average more than $73 an hour in total compensation. The 12 foreign transplants, operating in nonunion states mostly in the South and Midwest, averaged about $42 an hour.Read More At Investor's Business Daily:!@#Who Killed Detroit? - Investors.com us:!@#@IBDinvestors on Twitter!@#|!@#InvestorsBusinessDaily on Facebook
Who Killed Detroit? - Investors.com
Poor Detroit. It hasn't had any good news for decades, and now, despite a $77 billion bailout of the auto industry, its population continues to implode. The No. 1 reason: the United Auto Workers union.Census data released Tuesday show Detroit's population has plunged 25% since 2000 to just 713,777 souls — the same as 100 years ago, before the auto industry's heyday. As recently as the 1970s, Detroit had 1.8 million people.What's happening is no secret: Detroiters are fleeing an economic disaster, the irreversible decline of the Big Three automakers.In his now-famous Super Bowl commercial for Chrysler, rapper Eminem drives up to a theater in a sleek new 200 model and says, "This is the Motor City. And this is what we do." But, sadly, that's no longer the case. Detroit's decline has been shocking.Sure, a lot of the blame goes to a generation of bad management. But the main reason for Detroit's decline is the greed of the industry's main union, the UAW, which priced the Big Three out of the market.As recently as 2008, GM, Ford and Chrysler paid their employees on average more than $73 an hour in total compensation. The 12 foreign transplants, operating in nonunion states mostly in the South and Midwest, averaged about $42 an hour.Read More At Investor's Business Daily:!@#Who Killed Detroit? - Investors.com us:!@#@IBDinvestors on Twitter!@#|!@#InvestorsBusinessDaily on Facebook
Hey, that's a good article. Never said ALL unions are great, but I can see charging $70+ per hour choking things to death. But how many people are making that and what is meant by total compensation? They including benefits not paid by the employee in that number?
No one is arguing that the population decreased. They were greedy and would not compensate on the pension side. Ya it's a bad thing to get promised things and not get them but we live in the real world. When the economy tanked instead of a pay increase I got a 1.5 year 3% pay cut, supervision was cut 7%, with all raises frozen. Guess what last quarter our revenue was up 23%, we all got our pay back with raises back to normal and are doing better than before, and I'm making about $4 an hour more than I was then . There are consequences to operating without a budget.
Silver, on blaming untility workers. We are a private contractor, our guys generally make $8-$10 less then the service provider we work for, if the service provider guys have nothing to do they sit around and play cards all day long, so when you complain about an electricity bill imagine 4 guys around a table being paid $160 hr total to bs all day, pretty common. After storm sandy we got to work in union contractor country in the north east, after they seen our guys work there have been union contractors kicked out and replaced by us, making union pay which is now the highest pay rate area in our company, but now they have guys willing to earn the pay.
The sad thing is the people put in power in unions are voted in. If your union is shitty, but you sit around and don't go to the meetings nor try to change it, then it will end up being a shitty union. My wife had that happen to her. She worked for a little shithole accounting firm in florida. She took a few days off to go see her grandmother who had cancer. The day she was suppose to go back her flight was delayed so she got in late. She sent her boss a text as he requested if you were going to be late or miss saying she'd be late. She replyed that was fine. She showed up to his wife at her desk doing her work and he walked out and fired her for not letting him know she was going to be late. Just a bullshit excuse to get rid of her. We wont mention he was fucking the other girl that worked there either. Right to work states give employees no rights against employers.
I was reading an article about this that was also mentioning that back during the heyday you had a lot of people emigrating from the South for the good pay. Problem was now you also have a bunch of people with either high school or less-than high school education getting good wages and living the American Dream. When the American auto industry started declining, a lot of the higher educated people left for greener pastures. The article was also talking about Pittsburgh went through the same kind of thing with the steel industry but they were a lot more farsighted in their planning and started a reeducation program to prepare these lower education workers for jobs in the new medical fields. Detroit either couldn't or wouldn't make hard decisions and preferred to "kick the can down the road".
In the late 60's - early 70's, the "big three" were all selling every car they could build.
This was when Japanese cars were still considered silly little toys.
The number one priority for management was to keep the assembly lines running 24/7.
If they were shut down for even one day they would loose market share to the competition.
The auto manufacturers were all making huge profits...
The UAW and associated unions wanted in on that money.
They continually increased worker demands until the guys doing the least-skilled labor were making 3 and 4 times what Americans could earn for comparable work in other industries.
The auto company top managers were all in their 50's or older.
They knew that when the cost of these insane union agreements grew to cause real damage they themselves would be long retired or dead.
They did what they had to do, they gave in to the UAW in the interest of keeping those lines running.
Over the years the cost of those UAW contracts meant that Ford, GM, and Chrysler had less and less profit to spend on R&D and new-vehicle development.
At the same time, the Japanese and Germans were improving their quality and developing new vehicles, adding new features and incentives for customers.
The Japanese and Europeans were building new manufacturing plants following the destruction of WWII, where the Detroit manufacturers were dealing with facilities that were old and in decay.
This was when Japanese cars were still considered silly little toys.
The number one priority for management was to keep the assembly lines running 24/7.
If they were shut down for even one day they would loose market share to the competition.
The auto manufacturers were all making huge profits...
The UAW and associated unions wanted in on that money.
They continually increased worker demands until the guys doing the least-skilled labor were making 3 and 4 times what Americans could earn for comparable work in other industries.
The auto company top managers were all in their 50's or older.
They knew that when the cost of these insane union agreements grew to cause real damage they themselves would be long retired or dead.
They did what they had to do, they gave in to the UAW in the interest of keeping those lines running.
Over the years the cost of those UAW contracts meant that Ford, GM, and Chrysler had less and less profit to spend on R&D and new-vehicle development.
At the same time, the Japanese and Germans were improving their quality and developing new vehicles, adding new features and incentives for customers.
The Japanese and Europeans were building new manufacturing plants following the destruction of WWII, where the Detroit manufacturers were dealing with facilities that were old and in decay.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle the pensions that are funded with government back bonds. What city is next?
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